Bulletin Board #25

#1

All Kinds of excuses
Sorry for not getting info out to you more frequently, but work comes first. And there has been a pletoria of that. I have had enough time to answer individual e-mails, but not much more than that.



#2

Needed in the Washington DC area.

A company I am affiliated with in the Washington DC area has an ongoing requirement for people trained in TSCM for part time employment (sub contract). If you are TSCM trained or know someone who is, pass on the vitals in an e-mail and I'll forward the info. I'd say that a current security clearance would be a definate plus for some of the jobs.

Additionally, they also need people who have good writing skills and know how to perform security evaluations.

In fact, if you (or anyone you know)have any particular security related skills, regardless of where you live, and are available on a part time basis, let me know. I get inquiries on a frequent basis and sometimes have difficulty finding someone to fill the requirement.

#3 I don't know what we're going to do for humor, now. My #2 son is in Korea for a year and I don't know if he will be able to send me more of the following.

"They're multipurpose. Not only do they put the clips on, but they take them off."
-Pratt & Whitney spokesperson explaining why the company charged the Air Force nearly $1000 for an ordinary pair of pliers.

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president."
-Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents
"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees."
-Jason Kidd, upon his drafting to the Dallas Mavericks
"When more and more people are thrown out of work, unemployment results."
-Former U.S. President Calvin Coolidge
"It's like deja vu all over again."
-Yogi Berra
"China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese"
-Former French President Charles De Gaulle
"That lowdown scoundrel deserves to be kicked to death by a jack*ss, and I'm just the one to do it."
-A congressional candidate in Texas
"It is necessary for me to establish a winner image. Therefore, I have to beat somebody."
-Richard M. Nixon
"A billion here, a billion there, sooner or later it adds up to real money."
-Everett Dirksen
"A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on."
-Samuel Goldwyn
"I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves."
-John Wayne
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
-Philadelphia Phillies manager Danny Ozark
"Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind."
-General William Westmoreland
"If you let that sort of thing go on, your bread and butter will be cut right out from under your feet."
-Former British foreign minister Ernest Bevin




#4

Exporting Equipment
From: TOMB621@aol.com

BTW- I had a lengthy conversation with a Dept of Commerce Rep on licensing TSCM gear for use outside the US. She confirmed your information- there is a crackdown- I think she called it "on Electronic Counter-Surveillance Equipment". Anyway she said that the part of the procedure that takes longest is the "request for classification", which is part of the license application. It takes many weeks, maybe months, for that part to get action. If you classify the stuff yourself, in the application, and in accordance with the reg (i.e.- use their numbers and description), you can cut out a lot of the time, and get a license in "maybe 10 days". There is an emergency (walk through) procedure, but they rarely let people use it. You have to try to justify an emergency situation, and she wouldn't even tell me the criteria (the message was "don't even try, you'll be wasting your time").

Trying to travel outside the US at this time with gear and no license would not be a wise move! Thanks for the heads up.

Tom



#5

Subject: And in conclusion......
Mr. Ross responded much as you would expect with the following:
"You're off the list. I want to correspond with thinking people, not people who can't be bothered with ununderstandable things such as wars run by the CIA.

Regards,

Jim"
To repeat myself, "SCARY!!!". You can't talk to these types, but you should keep an eye on them. Lets here it for the sea eye ay!!! And to think this guy provides TSCM services. I guess he never liked my jumping on him for dogging the government schools and programs. Well, as Abraham Lincoln said "**** him". I think it was Abe. Have a good day and keep in touch.
Jack

From: Kelleypi@aol.com



#6

OSCOR 5000

Tim,
Have you heard anything good, bad, or ugly about the OSCOR 5000?

Do you think the OSCOR can effectively replace the PSA-65, the ETA-3, SCD5's, etc, etc to make a lighter package when I am forced to travel alone or with one other assistant?

Tim writes: I responded to the question, but I'd like the opinions of any of you who have had exposure to the 5000. Don't worry, I'll leave your name, etc. off the postings

Tim Johnson
dbugman@amug.org



#7

Subject: Am I Missing Something?
I was asked not to post this, but it is a question which has been asked on numerous occasions and deserves my slanted point of view (which will follow).
Tim,
I admit I am new to this business, but I really don't understand all of the comments on the bulletin board. I am trying to understand the "who-is-who" of this field.

Obviously there is some strong feelings against Jim Ross. I have known Jim for years and while he may vent his personal feelings about the world as he sees it...I don't think he means any harm.

Then there is Steve Uhrig who always seems to have very good information and seems to know what he is talking about, but never has anything good to say about anyone else.

Next we have Kevin Murray, his web site is nice, his articles are great, but you can't get him to return a phone call or email to save your life.

I can't forget Jim Atkinson who, forgive me, appears extremely knowledgeable but equally pompous.

I have had conversations with Mr. Jarvis and Mr. Whidden who both seem very cordial, competent, and responsive. I felt the same when I spoke with you. I was extremely impressed that you went out of your way to contact me when I wanted to join your group but I was having an email problem. I also have enjoyed your site and the great information it has in it. Not to mention the great Bulletin Board service you maintain.

I just want to know where do I go for help? Who are the good guys and who is blowing smoke? I have read so many opinions from these people about the other people, that I just don't know who to believe? I have only been in this field about 10 years and know I am not even close to understanding a tenth of what anyone of you know. It is such a specialized field that I would think that there would be a little more unity.

Is it just me? Am I missing something?

I responded personally with my comments. If you have anything you'd like to include, I'll pass it on with or without your e-mail address attached (just be sure and let me know).

I wrote: I try to be non commital in my BULLETIN BOARD. If I think it is something that might be of interest or use to others, I post it. I also try to post responses, sometimes protecting the respondent because they often say things without thinking - it even happens to me occasionally.

Jim Ross is not a good technician--from my knowledge of him from a technician point of view, he is an excellent technician and he can write anything he wants in any way he wants to. That is one of the things present and former military personnel have fought to provide for.

On the other hand, and this in not meant to sound belittling, I think Jim has a personal vendetta against government agencies and personnel trained by them to do TSCM work. I'm not sure how he got into the TSCM area, but it is my understanding he has a EE from the Army. After retiring, he apparently tried to "get inside" the intelligence community and when he wasn't instantly accepted as an expert, he said or did things he probably shouldn't have. As a result, the intelligence community turned him off and tuned him out and he's been carping against them since.

On a more personal note, he jumped in the middle of my stuff a long time ago for something I wrote and tried (once again) to justify it without having all the facts. I didn't need to say anything, to many others spoke up first.

Although it may be to late, I think what he needs to do is be more humble and not profess to be the guru of TSCM. No one knows everything and only a very few will state that they are experts in the field. Personally, I could care less; there's just to much work out there for the really good people in this profession for anyone to try to take it all.

I agree with what you say about Steve Uhrig. nuff said.

I was really surprised to read you comment about Kevin Murray. I know him personally and professionally and rank him in the top of the group. On the other hand, I do know that he travels most of the time, but that is no excuse. If your failure to receive a response dates back a year or two ago, that may have been during the period his wife Rose was undergoing treatment and surgery for breast cancer and after that, they started a remodeling project together. No excuses, but maybe---

Jim Atkinson popped up out of nowhere and instantly established himself as an "expert". No one (in the intelligence/TSCM field) really knows anything about hi, other than what he posts. I've had friends tell me people from ITC had stopped by their office and during the course of conversation ask if THEY knew anything about him.

I know Ray Jarvis and Glenn Whidden professionally and have referred people to them (when I couldn't get my hooks into them :>) ) and will do it in the future.

Hang in there and don't give up. Whether you realize it or not, there is unity among the professionals. Typically, they aren't the ones complaining or grousing (except to each other, and then because of certain things that occur).

On the other hand, almost anytime Jim Ross writes something, if you read between the lines, it is an attack on the professionals and they DO resent it. At that point, some will make a comment---you can only be quiet so long.

Reference the TSCM seminar in Boston, there'll be three of us putting on the seminar--Harry Hann, Gary Bunker and myself. I never know who else will show up, but it's nut unusual for at least one other person to show up who has received government training and just wants to see what is happening elsewhere.

I hope this helps in answering some of the questions you might have and let you know where some of the comments and animosity comes from. It goes deeper than that, but that is the best way to explain it.



#8

From: Trace Carpenter
Subject: Re: Body Wire

Hi Tim,
On the body wires, we've just been using the good quality wireless mic sets for years. They're basically designed for this application and unless you're going to be patted down at gun point by the cartel, concealability has not been a problem. Trace Carpenter Investigations
2926 Maple Ave., Ste. 200 - Friends help you move;
Dallas, Texas 75201 - Real friends help you move bodies.
214.828.4520



#9

From: Trace Carpenter
Subject: Scanner

Hi Michael,
You'll find that your scanner will be of assistance in listening to detected frequencies to find out if they're hostile or not. For instance, get yourself a good frequency counter. Once you've detected a strong frequency, listen to it. If you get feedback or hear yourself in the room, you've got a transmitter.
Trace Carpenter Investigations
2926 Maple Ave., Ste. 200 - Friends help you move;
Dallas, Texas 75201 - Real friends help you move bodies.

214.828.4520



#10

From: Doug Ralph
Subject: Body Microphone (Wireless) requirement for legal use (1Party Consent)

Hello Tim - From Radio Shack @ 79.95 USD. Cat No 32-1231 - 3 channel Xtal controlled body mic, uses 9 volt, selectable VHF channels in the 170 Mhz range. Use with most scanners, very cost efficient, great range and readily available. Great training aid too ! - All the best - Doug R.



#11

From: "James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng"
Subject: Re: Body Wire

Tim,

The best body wires around (IMHO) are the Sony UHF products.
Prefer the 10mw UHF products (with removable microphone element).
Telex, Electrovoice, and Sennheiser also make excellent units.
All of the above companies will sell units to any customers (as they are sold as wireless microphones)

James M. Atkinson - Phone: (508) 546-3803
Granite Island Group - TSCM.COM
127 Eastern Avenue #291 - http://www.tscm.com/
Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 - jmatk@tscm.com
The First, The Largest, The Most Popular,
and The Most Complete TSCM Counterintelligence Site on the Internet



#12

Ref Body Microphones

Thanks Tim. I just got the info and will make some calls this afternoon. I do appreciate the help, from you and our friends along the way. It's always nice when we can help each other.

I think Ross has flipped his *******lid. He is certifiable. With that diatribe, he should loose any of the little credibility that he has left. I can't believe that even he could be that stupid.

Thanks again. May be headed back to the same place as before for more of the same. I'll let you know.

Thanks again

harry



#13

From: LYN626@aol.com
Subject: Encrypted Video Microwave
Tim,
Can you suggest any vendors with such a product that will meet NSA standards for the transmission of classified. It will require a weatherproof housing and its "shot" will be approximately 1/4 mile.
Thanks

Any comments or help from the readers?



#14

From: "M. GERON"
Subject: Re: Scanner Use

Tim,
Thank's for your reply, and information.
I am still learning to use the AR8000 as it has many programming options.
Once I feel fully confident I will have to purchase a frequency counter.

With a good scanner and frequency counter would I need anything else (other than experience) in the way of equipment to sweep for RF transmitters?

Once again - thanks for your time and assistance.
Michael

At 10:27 AM 5/28/97 -0700, Tim wrote:
Michael,
I haven't used that unit before, but these are some things you may be able to do with it:
First, it can do an automatic scan--you set the start frequency and it will scan until it hits a signal. In doing a tscm sweep, you have to look at ALL the signals when working with a scanner (unless you have the capability of identifying signals and programming the scanner to disregard them).

I have a radio shack Pro 29 scanner and often use it to double check the audio on a signal I am curious about. Also, I use it to verify the audio component when I am using the Optoelectronics Scout Frequency Counter as a near field detector.

Hope this helps some. I'll post your request to the list later on.

Tim



#15

Subject: TSA
Hi Tim,
Just got a quick question for once....Is Glen Whidden at TSA a reputable source of training and equipment? I came across the info while viewing Atkinson's page, but heard that his information is a little deceptive.

Thanks.

Jason

Tim writes: Looking for input on this one as well. Anyone receive any of his literature, training or use his equipment.



#16

From: "M. GERON"
Subject: Re: Scanner Use

Tim,
Thank you for your reply. I thought the answer to my question would be as you stated however its a secure feeling to have a professional confirm an amateurs thoughts, in particular in this line of business. In addition you see these days what I refer to as "magic junk" that will do anything in our profession, with price tags that are just not to be believed.

BTW - I have found a night course at the Tel Aviv University - Ham Radio & Related Electronics - I plan to enroll. I expect it will assist in my continuing education regarding the technical side of our profession.

Once Again - My Sincere Thanks for Your Time and Assistance.
Michael
At 07:26 PM 5/30/97 -0700, Tim wrote:
Michael,
What you will have is a pretty good basic system. In probably 98% of the situations you run into, the scanner and Freq Counter will handle much of what you will be asking of it. A really good physical should handle what's left. As for additional equipment, ya' got a bunch a' money, ya' can buy a lotta' stuff.

If you found a smoking deal on a portable O'scope it might be interesting to check the output of your scanner for an audio component when you only have a signal but no audio. There are tell tale indicators once you know what to look for.

I'd also suggest a carrier current receiver for checking power lines and other pairs of lines.

Tim Johnson



#17

From: "M. GERON"
Subject: Re: Scanner Use

Tim,
Thanks for the encouragement & Kind Regards
Michael

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At 08:44 AM 5/31/97 -0700, Tim wrote:

Michael,
Any classes in electronics and communications will be a definate plus in doing this type work. Most people just buy the "magic Wand", hang out a shingle and rake in the money without a concern about whether they are doing a good job or not.

Tim Johnson dbugman@amug.org



#18

From: todd
Subject: hi
im a 29 year old SWM living in south Florida..i am a self taught computer expert.. i am finishing my 2 year degree in Systems analysis and i was to get into the Espioage field..can you perhaps leave me crumbs on what i should persue to get involved in this field... hope to hear from you soon.

Any comments from the readers--Tim



#19

From: "Samuel M. Kirton"
Sam wrote:
This afternoon I attended the dedication of the Aldo E. Frascoia Memorial Facility at Centre Pointe in Landover, MD. The facility dedication was very nicely done. Remarks were delivered by Douglas James, Acting Special Agent in Charge of the Technical Security Division, and Richard J. Griffin, Acting Director, United States Secret Service.

Aldo's family was in attendance. His wife was presented with his badge which was recovered from the crash site, along with his credentials.

A photograph of Aldo along with a plaque is being placed in the entrance of the facility.

Thanks, sam sends..........

Reply-Subject: Fw: Newspaper Headlines
Grandmother of eight makes hole in one
Deaf mute gets new hearing in killing
Police begin campaign to run down jaywalkers
House passes gas tax onto senate
Stiff opposition expected to casketless funeral plan
Milk drinkers are turning to powder
Quarter of a million Chinese live on water
Farmer bill dies in house
Iraqi head seeks arms
Prostitutes appeal to Pope
Panda mating fails - veterinarian takes over
NJ judge to rule on nude beach
Never withhold herpes from loved one
Cold wave linked to temperatures
Blind woman gets new kidney from dad she hasn't seen in years
Death causes loneliness, feeling of isolation

Phil
And with those bits of wisdom, I leave you for a few days (but as of 16:30, I'm not scheduled to leave town over the weekend. I say that because I felt the world had gotten mad at me for Toni and I taking a vacation from the 1st to the 14th of April. I started in again on the 15th and only had three days off for more than a month, working two small sweeps in one day on about four occasions. But things are back to normal now--I was in Utah on Tuesday and Wednesday and had a local job on Thursday. I only have three things scheduled for the rest of this month--of course, that's how it was when i got back from France and look what happened.

Take care and watch your six.

tj