Bulletin Board #15






# 1

Debugging question

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 00:08:19 -0700
To: Proinv-L-Digest@teleport.com
From: Tim Johnson
Subject: Re: Debugging

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 21:51:57 -0700 (MST)
From: Statewide Investigations & Protection swide@xmission.com>
Subject: Debugging Question

I have some very basic detection devices and need to know if anyone can steer me in the right direction to some better Equipment. Right now I am using Bug tap Detection Kit Infared probe, line driver, two line wire tap detector, RF Advanced transmitter detector 1-2500 Mhz by a RF alert light. Flashing red light and audio tone option. It might just be experience but I keep asking myself isn't there better and easier. If so please let me know all the details POST or Private. I am looking to purchase new soon. But, I want experienced and tried equipment information, NOT A SALESMANS pitch.

Thank you much,

Marc

E-Mail: swide@xmission.com

Marc Buckley OWNER / INVESTIGATOR / EDITOR
STATEWIDE INVESTIGATIONS AND PROTECTION
" INVESTIGATOR " BI-MONTHLY NEWSLETTER
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Marc,

In partial response to your inquiry (and this not meant to belittle you), if you don't know where to find good quality equipment, maybe you aren't giving the client the service they deserve. I'm trained as an investigator, but I farm out all the inquiries I get to associates because they are better at it than I am. I like doing the "debugging" sweeps and stick almost exclusively to that, basically, I do what I'm good at and leave the other areas to the other specialists.

A lesson I've learned is that it's better to get a little of a lot than a lot of nothing. By that, I mean that you will get a job, but if the client knows you don't know what you're doing, you won't be going back. For that reason, it might be better to refer such jobs out and take a referral fee. It also cuts down drastically on the cost of equipment. Be prepared for sticker shock when you start pricing and look for the neighborhood to be expensive ($50,000 or thereabouts for good quality equipment). You'll need a receiver/spectrum analyzer, non linear junction detector, carrier current receiver, audio amplifier, v-o-a meter, ir source, ir detector, telephone analysis equipment, time domaine reflectometer and several other things I can't remember right now.

My observation is that you will not be able to get the best use out of the equipment you purchase unless you have a pretty good background in electronics.

As for equipment, I'll almost guarantee that you'll be getting inquiries from the sales people after your posting.

=46eel free to respond to this site and I'll pass on your future responses t=o the specialists hovering in the background just waiting to assist. I'm also posting your inquiry and my response to my BULLETIN BOARD.

Tim Johnson

Tim Johnson dbugman@amug.org
Technical Security Consultants Inc
http://www.amug.org/~dbugman/
What you say in private is your business.
Keeping it private is ours. = TSCI 1987




# 2

From: Kelleypi@aol.com
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 08:39:27 -0500 (EST)
To: swide@xmission.com
cc: dbugman@amug.org
Subject: Equipment

Marc, Just wanted to support what Tim said. I was a Federal TSCM guy (DOD & DOE) for years and attended all the Fed schools. They required that you have an extensive background in electronics PRIOR to them teaching you TSCM. Then the government bought you about $500,000 worth of equipment to use (this was ONE set). The receiver was nearly $250,000. All the equipment that Tim listed is necessary to do a professional job. Even buying far less sophisticated equipment is expensive. I refer to others who are equipped to handle this type of work. Even though I have the training and experience, I do not have the resources to buy and maintain the equipment. However, there are a lot of people out there performing what they call TSCM surveys that do nothing but fool the client. Fooling the client is far easier than conducting a legitimate survey. Then it just comes down to Ethics. Good luck. Jack Kelley




# 3

X-Sender: sjwilson@mail.naxs.com (Unverified)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 13:48:28 -0500
To: swide@xmission.com
From: Steve Wilson
Subject: Equipment
Cc: dbugman@amug.org
Mime-Version: 1.0

Marc,
Ready your question and Tim's response. Tim's right about everyone (including this e-mail) responding with equipment for you. Don't be in any hurry to buy anything! Suggestion - Before you buy go to good school and learn more about TSCM. Chose a school where you'll get exposure to the spectrum analyzers and TDR's with hands on experience - then you can decide what you need yourself. Ask each school to fax you a list of the equipment you will actually have hands on classroom time with! Ray Jarvis teaches both a good basic and intermediate course in Oklahoma at Jarvis International Intelligence; I teach a good basic course in NC for the World Institute for Security Enhancement. Completing either will qualify you for the NC Counterintelligence License. The next class I teach is May 5th, about $795, I don't know when Ray's next class is. Phone # WISE = 910 993 7519, Jarvis 918 437 1100. Tim may be setting in on my next class, hopefully to help with the instruction [Tim's currently listed by the Institute as a resident expert TSCM instructor]. I haven't met Tim yet, perhaps we'll all be there. After you have had exposure to different products then make your own purchasing decision - don't buy based on the responses I'm sure you're getting. If you or anyone else is interested in specific equipment there are a number of sources. You may review my site [http://www.tscmplus.com] for referrals to equipment and what it should cost; we are listing everything at the manufacturer's cost so you'll know what costs should be. My web server is too busy so I'm trying to master getting all this into the .html format for the www, so give me a month before it's all posted!! Steve Wilson

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# 4

From: "JAMES BREWER"
To:
Cc: "PROINV"
Subject: E-mail Encryption
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 21:04:17 -0600
Sender: owner-proinv-l@teleport.com

By far the best known and most widely supported as the best and most secure encryption program available: PGP (Pretty Good Privacy).

There web site:
Pretty Good Privacy
http://www.pgp.com/

Hope this helps.
James Brewer
Global Investigators Network http://www.ginetwork.com
Angel & Brewer Limited (Chicago) GMT -06:00
Phone: 708-579-1776 Fax: 708-354-6880
http://www.pihome.com/angelbrewer http://www.pimall.com/angel

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 21:40:03 -0700 (MST)
From: Statewide Investigations & Protection
Subject: E-mail Encryption

I need information on E-mail Encryption. Does anyone currently use Encryption? Name of Program, Software requirements and Price would be great. I also could use some information on Security musts for Small Networks 5-10 Computers using the Internet and E-mail. Virus protection, Encryption, Access Control, and Tempest prevention or like prevention methods.

Thanks,

Marc




# 5

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 13:02:24 -0600
From: Trace Carpenter
Organization: Trace Carpenter Investigations
To: ProInv
CC: swide@xmission.com
Subject: Debugging Question Response
Sender: owner-proinv-l@teleport.com

Marc,

As far as better & easier equipment, be careful. TSCM sweeps are complicated by nature. Any equipment that flashes a light or sounds a buzzer as proof that there is or is not an illicit device present I'd run from. The most sophisticated devices out there such as spectrum analysers, fluke meters, and probes only give you readings for the tech to interpret. It's kind of like a doctor being able to wave a probe over the body and have a printout that says "this man is ABSOLUTELY having an AMI". The EKG only gives readings for a trained professional to interpret.

As far as a recommendation on equipment however, the CPM unit from Research Electronics Inc. (REI) is a very good base unit to start with. Although you may want to add to your equipment later, a professional sweep can be obtained using the CPM with optional accessories, a multimeter, and a good physical search. The unit from REI will allow you to do an RF search, carrier current searches, infrared sweeps, and magnetic leakage detection which will find tape recorders, and leakage which is susceptible to TEMPEST monitoring. REI has their own web site, you can probably do a search for it.
Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Trace Carpenter
Trace Carpenter Investigations  Professional Private
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# 6

From: Kuma3938@aol.com
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 15:12:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: BULLETIN BOARD # 14

Tim,
It sounds like Mr. Buckley is using some of the "red your dead, green your clean" type of equipment. Looks nice but in most cases would'nt find a decent device if you were sitting on it. It's nice that he is looking for better equipment, and you are right on regarding sticker shock. But it seems that even with the best equipment, if he does not know where to look or how to use the equipment effectively, he's just throwing the money down a well. Regardless, with the fancy flashing lights or good equipment, if the customer gets the idea that you are blowing smoke up his you know where, you won't be going back, and you damn sure won't be getting any referrals. I don't know where he is in Utah but he can give me a call if it's appropriate.

Talk soon.

Harry




# 7

Specialty Skill available

Occasionaly, I'll receive an inquiry from an individual who has training that would enhance a security departments capabilities. The following appears to be such an individual. For that reason, I am passing the info on for your review and consideration. Im more than 99% of the time, if you hire an AF electroinics technician, you aren't hiring the handicapped. They're well trained and disciplined, but with enough freedom in doing their work to use some initiative.

From: ThagAndy@aol.com
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:02:27 -0500 (EST)

Randy E. Anderson
2600 Nonesuch Rd. Apt. #54G
Abilene, TX. 79606
Home Phone: (915) 692-0547  Work Phone: (915) 696-3459

I possess 7 years of diverse full time United States Air Force experience, ranging from security systems techician, to radio equipment techician, to customer support for all communications systems on base. This experience is supplemented by numerous formal Air Force training courses. In addition to my Air Force courses, I am 12 credit hours away from achieving my Community College of the Air Force Associates Degree in Applied Science, Electronics Systems Technology.

My enclosed resume provides a brief but comprehensive summary of my experience and training. I feel my knowlege and experience in these fields would prove vauluable to your organization. I would like to arrange a personal meeting so that we may discuss my qualifications in greater detail. I will be availible for employment in June 1997. You may reach me at anytime of the day or evening at the phone numbers listed on my resume, or at my email address, ThagAndy@aol.com. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,

Randy E. Anderson

Randy E. Anderson
2600 Nonesuch Rd. Apt. #54G
Abilene, TX. 79606
Home Phone: (915) 692-0547  Work Phone: (915) 696-3459

ELECTRONICS TECHNICIAN

GOAL

To work for a reputable company utilizing my Air Force training and 7 years of training on the job work experience.

EMPLOYMENT HISTORY

U.S. AIR FORCE, Dyess AFB, TX (Secret Security Clearance) June 93 - Current Television and Intrusion Detection Systems Journeyman Technician

U.S. AIR FORCE, Borfink, West Germany (Top Secret Security Clearance) Jan 91 - June 93 Wideband Communications Equipment Specialist

U.S. AIR FORCE, Keesler AFB, MS
Mar 90 - Jan 91
Wideband Communications Equipment Trainee
SIGNIFICANT RESPONSIBILITIES and ACCOMPLISHMENTS
Maintain camera and intrusion detection systems for sensitive weapons storage area.

Perform maintenance on communications, annunciator, perimeter surveillance, anti-intrusion, detection systems using extensive knowledge of schematics, many types of test equipment and technical data.

Prepares sensor and surveillance equipment for Defense Nuclear Agency and nuclear surety inspections with consistent results of zero discrepancies.

Maintain radio and telephone equipment such as multiplexers, rectifiers, voice frequency signaling and termination bays, circuit patch and test bays, and intermediate distribution frames.

Coordinated , controlled, and scheduled maintenance and outages on multi-million dollar Air Force equipment, information between customer and technicians, networking maintenance and small computer repair and took care of minor problems while still on the phone with the customer while working for Job Control/ Help Desk for 1 year.

Conducted 100 percent system inspections of all sensor equipment while Quality Control Maintenance Inspector. Identified and corrected minor, as well as, critical errors that resulted in system degradation.

EDUCATION

Community College of the Air Force, 1 semester from receiving an Associates in Electronics including: Texas State Technical College, 2 quarters, Computer Maintenance Repair Jan 88

Basic Electronics Apr 90

Wideband Communications Equipment Specialist Course Aug 90

Introduction to Advanced Digital Jul 91

Base and Installation Security Systems Consolidated Maintenance Mar 94

Perimeter Surveillance System, Closed Circuit Television Course Mar 97

Ported Coax Cable System Course Mar 97

Exterior Intrusion Detection System Course Mar97

References available upon request.




# 8

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# 9

And finally, Military cooperation

One reason the military services have trouble coordinating joint operations is that they don¹t speak the same language. For example: If you tell Navy personnel to ³secure a building², they will turn off the lights and lock the doors. The Army will occupy the building so no one can enter. The Marines will assualt the building, capture it, and defend it with suppresive fire and close combat. The Air Force on the other hand will take out a three-year lease with an option to purchase.

Unless something extremely interesting comes up on Monday, this will probably be the last BULLETIN BOARD for a couple of weeks as we leave on vacation on Tuesday. My # 3 son will be here but he has been instructed not to answer any e-mail or telephone calls (mainly because I'm to cheap to respond to inquiries from France.

But please do continue sending in any inquiries, comments or questions while I'm away. I'll have a couplke or three days before the nest job after I return and then it's on the road again (as opposed to being on the road on vacation). It's a good thing I enjoy traveling.

By the way, I'll be in St. Louis later on this month and in Massachusetts at the end of April-early May. Drop me an e-mail and maybe we can get together.

Tim Johnson